Question: Who is
greater – Guru or Nirankar (God)?
To be honest, I don't understand the significance of this question at all.
Why do we need to differentiate between the two?
Why is it important to give more significance to one or the other?
I had written previously and shared numerous times in vichars the beautiful example of ‘Tea and the Cup’ given by Baba Gurbachan Singh ji - that when
we want to have tea, we need a cup to drink it from.
Now, why do we need to place more importance on one over
the other?
While drinking tea – do we ask ourselves which one is more
important?
Or do we ask our guests “Would you like tea or a cup?”
Or after
serving them tea, do we ask “Which one do you think is better or more important
to you – tea or the cup?”
No one ever asks such questions.
In fact, these questions do not even come to our mind.
Tea and the cup – both have their own roles.
Tea provides us
warmth and energy that we seek for. But it cannot be had or served
without the cup or a container.
Similarly, Guru and Nirankar- both have their own important
roles to play in our lives.
Undoubtedly, they both are equally important – and there
is no need to place one’s importance over the other.
Question:
But didn’t Kabeer ji say that Guru is greater than God?
But didn’t Kabeer ji say that Guru is greater than God?
There is a very popular doha – verse written by him:
गुरु गोविन्द दोउ खड़े - काके लागूँ पाय
बलिहारी गुरु आपुने जिन गोविन्द दियो मिलाय
“Guru Govind dou khaday – kaa kay laagun paaye
Balihari Guru apunay –
jin Govind deeyo milaaye”
What is your opinion about it?
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First of all, though, this verse is quite popular among
people, the scholars doubt if it was actually written by Kabeer ji. There is no
authentic proof that this verse was in fact written by him. But then again,
this could be said about the writings of any other saint or any writer of the
past.
But regardless of its authenticity, this verse does not say
anything about one being greater than the other.
The correct literal meaning of
this verse should be:
“Guru and Nirankar – both are in front of me. To whom should
I bow?
I am so very grateful to the Guru, who connected me with
the Almighty”.
Obviously, the word ‘Balihaari’ could be in question here.
Balihaari is very commonly used in northern India to show
one’s liking and gratefulness towards someone.
There are numerous songs and
dialogues in Hindi saying: “Topay Bali bali jaaun – O’ Sajnaa main topay
balihaari etc. Mothers in Punjab can be often heard saying to their children “Balihaari
jaavan – vaaray vaary jaavan”.
It’s a phrase to show one’s appreciation, and
gratitude towards someone.
Now if we see, Kabeer ji was showing his gratitude towards
his Guru Ramanad ji - saying I am so grateful to you that you have connected me
to the Almighty God.
A disciple is always grateful to the Guru and that’s the way
it should be.
But there is no need for a disciple to question if the knowledge is
greater or the Guru – the provider of the knowledge.
They both have very significant
and vital roles in our lives and are equally important.
‘Rajan
Sachdeva’
Excellent
ReplyDeleteI have mostly read in texts that kabir ji said .. jin govid diyo bataye
ReplyDeleteSo is different from .. jin govind diyo milaye ?
Yes Vikrant ji, There are few different versions that are popular. But either way 'Bataaye' or 'Milaaye' pretty much conveys the same message.
DeleteOne example associated with baba gurubachan jis vichar .. one king enters his darbar wearing naulakha haar (necklace).. ministers and common people all saw it .. but it is only king who possess it ...
DeleteCrowd of 100s 1000s may see one start perform .. or 100s or 1000s may see someone but how many get chance to meet ....
I maybe shown look that guy is minister or a useful person .. merely seeing or to be shown may primarily help but cannot solve my purpose .... so milna & batana .. still leave lot of undone work in betweem ....
I truly thank for wonderful new light on years old discussion
In spritual texts baliharee may mean to lose once own (bal or strength) as surrender or sacrifice before guru who had made god realisation possible.. or is it any different ?
ReplyDeleteYes.. If you break the word 'Balihaare' then it would mean something like I let go of my strength or accept my defeat. But in everyday use - many words are not always used in its break-up forms. When a mother says to her child "Balihaare jaavaan" - she is not saying that I am accepting my defeat and surrendering to you. It actually should be taken as "I find you irresistible and I am grateful to have you. Similarly hearing something great or a fine piece of poetry one may exclaim "Balihaaray or Balihaar jaavan". Then he is actually saying it's wonderful and thank you.
DeleteHowever, in any case, Balihaare does not mean 'Better, Higher or greater. Even if you translate it as surrender- it still does not mean that one is greater than the other. It would mean that I surrender to the Guru who has connected me with Almighty Govind.
My point was simply that there is no need to debate on who is greater than the other. They have their own roles to play.
Cup and tea is the simplest and bestest examples of union ...
ReplyDeleteWe cannot seprate dance from dancer.. song from singer ...
Drinkable water avaiable to me in my glass is the consumable form of water available in abandance in oceans ..
Chapati or bread made from Wheat or rice may be best consumable form of earth for me as same maybe present around me in abandance ....
So sakar guru and gurulike saints could be best consumable or experincable form of nirankar ...
Pls enlighten ?????
1. Previously, I have talked about the concepts of Dance and Dancer – and painting and the painter. They cannot be separated but at the same time one cannot exist without the other. So, we cannot say that one is greater than the other.
DeleteBut again, why do we need to consider one higher than the other? Why can’t we accept that both are equally important?
2. I have also talked about three forms of Almighty in previous blogs.
Nirakaar and Nirgun – Formless, without any attributes
Nirakaar and Sagun - Formless with virtuous Attributes
Sakaar and Sagun - With Form and virtuous Attributes
I will re-publish them again.
Last but not the least ...
ReplyDeleteGuru is not body or physical .. is kabir ji refering to physical true master of refering to "shabad" or gyan as guru ... ????
To both - Body and Shabad. Just as Dance and dancer cannot be separated, Guru and Gyan cannot be separated. Guru does not exist without the Gyan - and Gyan cannot be received without the physical Guru.
DeleteThanks .... and keep blessing ..
ReplyDeleteinteresting food for thought ~shashi
ReplyDeleteWell said dear Rajan Sachdeva Ji .Thanks
ReplyDeletePremjit Singh
Well said Rajan ji thanks.. for sharing beautiful thought.
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